I guess I'm wondering why you're picking on religion as opposed to any of the other institutions we don't need.
The most obvious reason is simply because this thread is about religion specifically. If I wanted to tackle everything all at once I'd have a thread called "bullshit is bullshit," but I FEAR
that'd make the topic of conversation a bit more opaque.
That said, out of all the bullshit institutions we have, religion is one of the most pernicious, resilient, widespread, and therefore dangerous
fonts of bullshit in most (if not all) human cultures.
I happen to think marriage is bullshit. You can't do anything with marriage that you couldn't do without it.
That's factually completely incorrect. In every nation that has it, there are specific legal benefits to married couples that are not otherwise available.
Everyone's beliefs are just that: beliefs.
No. Not all beliefs are equally valid, and not all beliefs are equally dangerous. I'm also a little wary that you're using the word "belief" so vaguely and constantly now.
Surely you have some sense of right and wrong, good and evil. Where do your beliefs come from, and <span>what</span> makes yours any less bullshit than anyone else's?
They're accountable to real things in the real world, and open to discussion on the basis of reality.
It's interesting, because I think the questions you raise are fundamentally about human nature.
Which questions have I raised? "Religion is worthless" seems pretty declarative to me.
Apparently it is human nature to seek answers to the question of why we're here, and that's the function of religion
First, a very important point: Religion does not, cannot, and never has advanced knowledge. The closest it's come is undeservedly sharing the spotlight when someone who happens to share religious beliefs makes an important discovery through empirical reasoning and scientific method
If religion were only
here to answer irrelevant philosophical subjective questions like "Why are we here?" then we wouldn't have pastors fighting to convince the government that the Earth is 6,000 years old, now would we?
This is why I said earlier that any value religion offers comes saddled with unnecessary bullshit - and I don't mean that in the flippant "I don't prefer that kind of perspective" sense, I mean in that "ignorant untruths about the world" sense (and I'm being generous).
Any questions religion can answer are those which are purely subjective. Those can be answered without religion. The problem, again, is accountability - religion has a lovely habit of waiving that.
It's interesting, too, that all the major religions, many developed independently of each other, have basically the same tenets
Not even close. They have the "same tenets" in hindsight, taken from a very specific culture-centric perspective, and ignoring whatever huge portions of the religion is convenient for you to ignore in order to see only the "same tenets."
A fundamental tenet of Judaism is literacy, and from it, literary interpretation and discussion of its texts (one of them is just a series of rabbis offering different interpretations of the same passages, each offering their own textual evidence for why they interpret it a certain way). This is not shared by, say, Islam (whose messianic prophet was illiterate) or most all branches of Christianity (especially that really popular once that explicitly states there is a single dogmatic infallible human leader).
Similarly, these three religions have submission to the will of god as an absolutely fundamental tenet, one which I cannot find anywhere in Zen Buddhism, nor in Shintoism. And these are just the easy, obvious examples.
which are probably not so different from your own, which kind of proves/supports your point that organized religion is unnecessary.
Out of curiosity, what
are my "tenets," since you know me so well? :)
And isn't your definition of 'good,' whatever it may be, a function of your spirituality?what
So was Anne Frank right or wrong? Are people mostly good, or not?
I'm not so dumb as to pretend to know enough about humanity so as to broadly categorize them in such binary terms.
You still didn't answer me. If it were such a human need
, why are there so many people who don't need it?