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Mars, please, <a href="http://www.google.co.uk/search?hs=g6e&hl=en&safe=off&c2coff=1&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&q=%22arguing+on+the+internet+is+like+running+in+the+special+olympics%22&btnG=Search&meta=">a couple of people</a> beat you to it. It's appeared on R+M several times, and I think all of them were you. Stop posting that picture.


Do I care? Nope.

I'll tell you what. Once the majority of people realize that arguing insignificant points online is utterly pointless, maybe I won't post that anymore. Or then again, I just might post it just to see the look on your face.

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Hey

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You can't see the look on his face when you post it.






And don't even think about making a lame stalker comment. I've got you pegged, son.

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He might have a web cam.

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Arguing online is pointless, yes, but so is the Internet in its entirety waves upon waves of <s>porn</s> pointlessness. Everybody knows that when they go here, <s>arguments</s> discussions are because of boredom and rarely without any serious intent.

If there was never any drama the internet would be a horrifically dull place. I love to read drama. Drama is one of the things that amuses and entertain me. DON'T STOP DON'T STOP GREGOR'S A CUNT JASON LICKS CHILDREN BALLS NUKE TAKES DRUGS!!! oh shit wait disregard last one

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Mars wrote:
He might have a web cam.

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what's that chaps? You say Mars has made another post? I'll check it out!

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Oh yeah, you were right guys. This one wasn't funny either.</center>

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It's all in good fun, right?

right...

An open letter to Jason...

Dear Jason,

Your opinions, while I find them erroneous and quite a chore to wade through, are your opinions, and there's very little that I can do to stop you from holding them.

which is fine. I'm aware, as a writer, that my work (be it the trite little pieces I bang out in ten minutes or the essays upon which I choose to spend hours) will not appeal to anyone. I am perfectly willing to accept that some people won't like it, and they can tell me that as long as they want.

I do, however, object to it being actively and cripplingly critiqued by someone who I feel isn't qualified to do so. Don't get me wrong - I'm happy for you to read it and not like it... I'm unhappy about your recent actions for the following reasons...

1) You seem a little eager to throw stones...
2) I've actively tried to engage you in private conversations about this, and was not even granted the simple respect of a reply, even one to say 'no thanks - I'd rather thrash this out in public'
3) the old stand-by of anyone whose work is under attack... "I'd like to see you do better"

so - my friend - here's your chance to either shit, or get off the pot. stop throwing rocks, and make a relevant point that doesn't rely on random vitriol.

if you think my work is shit, then I invite you to try to do better. I will most graciously accept that you're a better writer than I am, should that particular eventuality arise...

but if all you've got at the moment is "I don't know much about art, but I know what I don't like", then I'm afraid your opinions are coming from the same place a lot of my writing comes from... thin air.

I don't expect my work to be treated as some opus worthy of exaltation. I know the shortcomings of my own work. I know that if I were to spend more time crafting these pieces, that they'd be immeasurably better than they are...

the stage is yours, Jason... do with it what you will... I'm interested to see what you can come up with.

yours,

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I don't think that'll work because Jason doesn't put up his articles in a public place while you do. *edit, by this I mean on rum and monkey forum pages. I think by displaying it publicly he already has the right to give his opinion on your work.


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2) I've actively tried to engage you in private conversations about this, and was not even granted the simple respect of a reply, even one to say 'no thanks - I'd rather thrash this out in public'



Jason is an asshole!! :D!!!!

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I will most graciously accept that you're a better writer than I am, should that particular eventuality arise...


oh but writing is subjective what now. ^___^


Also I heard your article wasn't satire at all confirm/deny???

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<a href="http://www.questenterprises.org/fanfic/vandean/insanitysedge">My writing is of impeccable quality</a>.

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"Jonny?"

Jonny turned and grinned when he saw the familiar green eyes.

"what's up?"

"That's exactely what I was about to ask you."

Jonny grimaced.

"Jess, it's way too early in the morning to start mind games. what the heck are
you talking about?"


That is what excellent writing looks like.

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2) I've actively tried to engage you in private conversations about this, and was not even granted the simple respect of a reply,
Yes the reason for this is that I don't take well to you lying in public.

The substantive, corrective criticisms I've offered are in the first post, which you've spent the entire thread trying to pretend don't exist, trying to deflect from, and a second article worming your way out of. The second post containing substantive constructive criticism is this one, in this clause: grow a pair.

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you keep refering to constructive critical comments in that first post...

all i see there is a list of wht you consider to be corrections of gregor's facts.

nothing about style, technique, or the like.

methinks you don't understand how to be a critic.

as a matter of fact, ithink, the only critiqing you've done was on a moral level. a task you lurves to take on, and one you really aren't fit to wear.

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Mars wrote:
He might have a web cam.

<center><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v297/SchmittVanDean/JasonPics/Thoughtful.jpg">
what's that chaps? You say Mars has made another post? I'll check it out!

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v297/SchmittVanDean/JasonPics/MyBadguys.jpg">
Oh yeah, you were right guys. This one wasn't funny either.</center>


There's the weetle guy. I told you he was a sport and had a webcam. Aww, it's not my fault English people don't have a sense of humor.

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Guys...guys I think he really does believe he's actually amusing :'(

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Amusing? Am I suppose to be entertaining you all?

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oh no carry on raping little girls sorry to interrupt you

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And please quit acting superior Mani.
I'm not acting superior. I'm parroting what Ben said, or rather, megaphoning it- because it's been utterly ignored and is probably to most important thing left in this thread. I'm not claiming any intellect or maturity for doing so-

But fucking hell guys.

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ME TOO POSTS ARE AGAINST THE T AND C BAN THIS MAN ADMINS >:O

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"Jonny?"

Jonny turned and grinned when he saw the familiar green eyes.

"what's up?"

"That's exactely what I was about to ask you."

Jonny grimaced.

"Jess, it's way too early in the morning to start mind games. what the heck are
you talking about?"


fanfic?

oh. ok. yeah, you're a writer.

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2) I've actively tried to engage you in private conversations about this, and was not even granted the simple respect of a reply,
Yes the reason for this is that I don't take well to you lying in public.


ah... so that's your logic for ignoring attempts to talk to you about this privately... because you don't like me lying in public...

wait... what?

you're making even less sense than I am, Jason... and that takes some doing...

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The substantive, corrective criticisms I've offered are in the first post, which you've spent the entire thread trying to pretend don't exist


oh... your critique that consisted of 'here's where your facts are wrong', despite the fact that IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FACTUALLY OFF THE MARK, DEPICTING THE MEDIA'S KNEE-JERK REACTIONS TO THE END OF THE WORLD ETC ETC... satire, my dear boy, takes many a varied forms.

I'll admit it wasn't my best piece to date, if that'll placate you to the point where you're actually talking about the writing rather than me...

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trying to deflect from, and a second article worming your way out of. The second post containing substantive constructive criticism is this one, in this clause: grow a pair.


Jason... I'm pretty sure you see it as 'worming' for a couple of reasons...

first of all, it's because you've made a judgment call on the article without waiting for the explanation. yes, I know you 'predicted' that an explanation might be forthcoming, but predicting it as 'worming' rather than waiting for the explanation has effectively seen you pre-judge the whole episode...

and, given that you've approached this with a completely inflexible idea of the truth of the matter, without arming yourself with all of the facts, your argument is necessarily flawed - badly and, it would seem, irreversibly.

like I said - I don't have a problem with you not liking my writing, or me for that matter (although I'm not entirely sure what I've done to deserve that... but meh - you can't make everyone happy all the time, right?)

what I do have a problem with is that your 'critique' so far has been little short of a personal attack (whatever the motivation) - without having all of the facts at your disposal.

it's sad, you know - like I said in the last PM I sent you, I value your opinion, as you're clearly a smart chap... but, for whatever petty reason it is this time, you've decided that I've stepped on your toes or over the line or something...

constructive criticism would be fine. a broadside about how shit my writing is just doesn't cut it...

sorry Jason - it's not good enough.

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I had sex with both of your mothers at the same time.

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I had sex with both of your mothers at the same time.


spam elsewhere, you git.

this thread is for Jason to tell me how shit I am. nothing else.

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Your mum was pretty shit.

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your mom, on the other hand, sucks cock like a hoover. considering how many guys were in line that night, i was surprised how energetic she was.

that was fiction.

-narrowly averts spamming-

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what's up with the mom jokes?

Stand By Me was a long time ago.

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guys! srsly!

I can't hear Jason telling me how shit my writing is with you all carrying on like that in here!

take it to spleen.

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Um, you're having a pissing contest with a 19-year old.

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jason still pees down his leg.

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Mars wrote:
Um, you're having a pissing contest with a 19-year old.


yeah, I know.

but he thinks my writing is shit.

I NEED TO KNOW WHY.

hrm... maybe if I showed him my Harry Potter fanfic, where Harry, Hermione and Ron construct a magical tactical nuclear weapon to finally blow Snape into a thousand magical motes of dust... that should change his mind...

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"Bloody Hell!" Ron exclaimed, as a blinding white flash emerged from Harry's wand.

"Harry! Where did you learn to do that?" asked Hermione.

Harry's lightning shaped scar flashed briefly, and Harry adjusted his glasses and smiled.

"VOLDEMORT!" cried Harry. "VOL-DE-FUCKING-MORT!"

"Bloody Hell!" Ron exclaimed.

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