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they can adopt baby, but i don't think it is good for the baby.
if they choose Homosexual matrimony, they must consider about the problem of baby

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what "problem" do you think that the child of a homosexual will have? Being around gay people doesn't make you gay, just like how being around short people won't stunt your growth.

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I too have always had an issue with the whole "gay people will have gay children" viewpoint. By that view, all children of straight couples should be straight, meaning that there would be no gay people. In most cases, I feel it's more important to have a stable family life than necessarily a "straight" one. Is it really any worse for a gay couple to raise a child than a single parent? Or what about the life that adopted children, or even biological children of gay couples, would have if not for having parents of some kind? Is it better to let them sit in federal custody in some orphanage for their entire life when they could be with people who love them? And, if not allowed to adopt, does that mean they can't have custody of their own biological children either? It's, to a large extent, the same thing.

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If the whole "You are the sexual orientation of your parents" thing was true... well... I wouldn't be a homosexual. There we go. Theory disproven.

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you mean that homosexuality is inborn.
but i think it is also postnatal.
i am not a gay, because i am not lving with them.
but a baby will be changed in every aspects, include: mind and action.
in the end, it may be change the baby into a gay.
but i don't look down upon homosexuality.

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Cash said: i am not a gay, because i am not lving with them.


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If the people around you decide what you're into and who you are, I should be a redneck country-lovin' all american nascar and deer-huntin' southern baptist republican. After all, ALL my family is. Yet here I am, a nineteen year old gender dysphoric democratic socialist neopaganist who despises hunting, fishing, and most everything else associated with the ol' south. Maybe, just maybe, they'll see the love between their parents and hope to one day find that themselves, but that doesn't mean they'll feel some kind of obligation to be gay, in fact, in my opinion they'd have it easier than gay children in straight households if they were straight, because their parents would more than likely not really try to force some kind of sexual image on their children.

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I should be a redneck country-lovin' all american nascar and deer-huntin' southern baptist republican


And I should be a closed-minded, born-again Catholic. Most of my town is. Thank goodness I'm not. Not all born-again Catholics are closed-minded, but those who are really get under my skin.

So, do your parents know about your gender dysphoria? How did they take it? Just wondering, you don't need to respond if I'm being too nosy. I know it's a delicate topic.

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i don't mean that the baby will become a gay, but there is possibility.
i think the baby who is adopted by homosexuality maybe have bigger spirit tension than other baby. baby's sex orientation is decided by both inborn and postnatal

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So, do your parents know about your gender dysphoria? How did they take it? Just wondering, you don't need to respond if I'm being too nosy. I know it's a delicate topic.


My mom, my little sister, and one of my aunts know. My mom was kind of sad, but she accepts me and just wants me to be happy.

It isn't too nosy! I'm doing my best to be as open as possible about it to most people who seem open minded, and since this is the interwebs I don't have any qualms, as I've been "out" on this site since I joined, so anybody who doesn't know it isn't my fault.

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So, do your parents know about your gender dysphoria? How did they take it? Just wondering, you don't need to respond if I'm being too nosy. I know it's a delicate topic.


My mom, my little sister, and one of my aunts know. My mom was kind of sad, but she accepts me and just wants me to be happy.

It isn't too nosy! I'm doing my best to be as open as possible about it to most people who seem open minded, and since this is the interwebs I don't have any qualms, as I've been "out" on this site since I joined, so anybody who doesn't know it isn't my fault.

the only thing we can do is that we exchange our idea and share our happiness with each other

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I've been out on this site for the whole few hours I've been here, and some of my friends know I'm a lesbian. My parents and my sister know as well. My parents took it remarkably well, my sister... not so much. It's what's to be expected from a preteen. *sigh*

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cash12345 wrote:
you mean that homosexuality is inborn.
but i think it is also postnatal.
It's both. Like virtually everything about us.

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A homosexuality debate. I missed this shit.

I'm doing Anthropology as one of my courses now, and from anthropological studies it shows that everybody has an inclination to like one sex better than the other. Ehm, no, reformulate, everybody has two "sex-o-meters", for each sex one. On a scale from zero to ten, you can say about sexes how sexually attracted you are to them. From this follow the four sexual inclinations we all know (hetero-, homo-, bi- and asexual).
This follows from the observation that most people can in certain situations change their sexual preference (do I hear prison-rape?). You can be completely asexual for a certain sex, and not for the other, making you a "true" heterosexual, but this configuration rarely happens, just as complete asexuality.

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Even if having homosexual parents did make a child more likely to be homosexual, how would that be a "problem?"

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This is all off-topic-like, but I just got the news that Wisconsin, my adopted state for the past four years, has passed the ban on civil unions.

I will be moving the fuck out of there posthaste.

To contribute something worthwhile (ish), I think it's a bit too abstract and oversimplified to talk about sexual orientation as something that must be either nature or nurture, or even as something that must be consistent. Sexual orientation is a much more fluid thing than debates like these would have it be. There are, for instance, straight people who suddenly find themselves in love with one particular member of the same sex. Should we then go around proclaiming ZOMG THEY HAVE CAUGHT THE GAY?

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he is bidirectional sexual orientation. i hope you can know my mean, i don't konw how to say this word.

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I know what you mean- the word you're looking for is 'bisexual'.

My point is that there are a lot of things that contribute to attraction, some of them certainly inborn, some of them probably situational. Singling out any one of them as a 'cause' risks oversimplifying a complicated response. Furthermore, does it really matter why you're attracted to someone so much as what you do about it?

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i konw your mean, everyone has his own world, in his world, he is the god. but this is a topic, we just show ourselves mind. :D

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ZOMG THEY HAVE CAUGHT THE GAY?


Q, you are so siggable :D

And incidentally, I think you're right in saying that the whole homosexuality debate is often highly oversimplified. My friend actually had a 1-5 scale of "gayness"... like 3 being the absolute middle, 50-50 attracted to each sex, 1 being totally gay and 5 being totally straight... and I think even that is a bit oversimplified, as I'm willing to bet most people fall somewhere in the 4 or 2 range. Like what gerard.rve said, most people aren't totally attracted to one sex and completely asexual to the other -- that's kind of the extreme. There are many more shades of grey than I think most people realize.

So. Yes. I've completely lost my train of thought.

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watch kissing jessica stein, good girly movie and touches on shades of gay.

I don't normally comment on homosexual matrimony because I know I get angry and het up about it. For the record, totally pro gay marriage and adoption. I think it's really disgusting when people are all 'ZOMG what if the children they bring up then think it is okay to be gay'. Well. It is. For fuck's sake. love is love is love is love.


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If being gay is something you can catch, I'm so calling in queer to school tomorrow.

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watch kissing jessica stein,


OMGZ L.OVE that movie!! Yes yes yes.

I think we should have a mass "call in gay to school" movement, that would be awesome.

"Hi, I can't come in to work today... there's a strain of gay going around and I seem to have caught it. *fake cough*"

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Saying someone's completely "straight" or "gay" is almost impossible. With some transsexuals, for instance, going through "the change" actually causes them to switch sexual orientation not because they choose to, but because their attraction to one sex or the other actually changes with their body. Would these people be considered bisexual considering they preferred one sex exclusively before and now feel different? Three terms isn't enough, but then again, they could have a three thousand terms and still not cover everything. Gay, lesbian, bisexual, genderqueer, whatever, it doesn't matter. They're all just useless labels.

Arkansas went Dem! Maybe we'll be lucky enough to have a bit more liberality than old Huckabee allowed. Then again, any Governor who has a covenant marriage while in office just to spite the LGBT community in their state has some major issues.

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