I pesonally am all for it. Homosexuals should have the right to marry their partner just as any straight person could. it shouldn't be up to the government, or anyone for that matter, to make laws restricting such practices.

Agreed, why the hell not? If you presume you've acceptet homosexuality as legal and not some kind of diseace why shouldn't gays have registrered partnerships? But you'll have to keep in mind that one can not force any churces to bless such a wedding, but still registred partnerships seems logical since we've accepted homosexualty.

A far moe controversial question however, which was raised recently in Denmark where I live (and where we've actualy have had gay mariages for quite a while) is whether to allow homosexual pairs to adopt. what do you think of that?

i'm glad you mentioned that. i think it acceptable aside from the fact that it may do damadge to a child. it's almost gauraunteed they will be made fun of in school. apart from that, i do think they should be allowed to adopt seeing as they have no means of procreation. the earth is over populated anyway.

adoption is still a point of contention. with our current understanding of homosexuality, there is no way to prove or disprove wether homosexual parents adversly affect children. but, my personal opinion is that homosexuality is mostly a psychological condition brought about by a persons environment. that said, i do not support "gay" adoption.

considering that most gays come from normal straight households........ i can't see your point, jon. in fact, based on that.... maybe all children should be raised by gay parents......as a safety measure.

agreed

faulty logic.

most homosexuals come from broken homes nuke, therefor the lack of a male or female role model in the kids life could be adversely affecting them.

there is a lot more to this than your willing to let on obviously.

it is well known that in the vast majority of cases, a child raised in a male and female family will be better off than one where they are lacking either a mother or a father. and no, a gay man is no substitute for a mother.

if you could prove that it doesn[I AM TOO STUPID TO USE AN APOSTROPHE]t matter, then i would be all for it, but since you cant prove it either way, im simply making a choice based on what we do know.

Almost all kids will encounter name calling/bulling at some point during school.

i'm sure. but think how far it would go in this case.

Male homosexuality is now believed to be caused by a deficiency of testosterone in the womb, caused by stress on the mother, which causes the brain to not develop entirely male.

Female homosexuality is still believed to be psychological. I agree with this because i know a lot of bisexual girls who had past social problems and issues with theyre parents.

Where are YOU getting this from, Jon?

SchmittVanDean: "you can't prove anything, I can't either, so I'm going to...draw a fucking irrelevent conclusion!"

well, maybe homosexuals come from broken homes "quite the sweeping statement" but so do mullet wearing trailer trash and they have more kids than anyone.

In traditional cultures many gay men were caretakers of kids. There is whole theory surrounding this explaining the hardiness of the gay gene, if their indeed is one.

Maybe they will get made fun of, but you could say the same of the kid who had a racially mixed background. I don't think it matters and I don't think kids even pick up on gay people, because they don't understand sex.

well, maybe homosexuals come from broken homes "quite the sweeping statement" but so do mullet wearing trailer trash and they have more kids than anyone.

In traditional cultures many gay men were caretakers of kids. There is whole theory surrounding this explaining the hardiness of the gay gene, if their indeed is one.

Maybe they will get made fun of, but you could say the same of the kid who had a racially mixed background. I don't think it matters and I don't think kids even pick up on gay people, because they don't understand sex.

funny that you didn[I AM TOO STUPID TO USE AN APOSTROPHE]t question nuke...




how is it an irrelevant conclusion? we are debating wether homosexual adoption is an acceptable practice. i am merely arguing that being raised in a homosexual family COULD be damaging for the child.

I support same sex marriages. I'll tell you why. My mother is a lesbian. She is married to another woman. My mother did not come from a broken home. Our entire family supports her. Everyone at my high school knew my mother was gay. No one teased me, although people did ask how my mother could have me if she was gay. My mother wasn't always a lesbian, that's why.
I don't frankly care how my mother came to be homosexual. I don't know if she was born that way or if its psychological and she came to be that way. I never asked. It would be like her asking me why I'm heterosexual. I don't know, I just am. I assume its the same for her.
Sexuality has nothing to do with how well you can raise a child.

I don't think one's home environment is the deciding factor in one's sexuality. My parents, for example, have been happily married since they were 21 and 23. They have raised their four children with a very strong Episcopalian ethic in a conservative suburban area. Environmentally speaking, I shouldn't be bisexual.

i picked up that my uncle was gay when i was about 4-5.

and i didn[I AM TOO STUPID TO USE AN APOSTROPHE]t say all homosexuals come from broken homes, i said most.

go here for REAL statistics, not just what you want to make up on the spot: http://www.childstats.gov/

unfortunatly you don[I AM TOO STUPID TO USE AN APOSTROPHE]t understand the environment argument. an environment can be 100% anti-homosexuality, but cause it regardless.

its something we don[I AM TOO STUPID TO USE AN APOSTROPHE]t understand very well, and making a statment like you did only shows that you don[I AM TOO STUPID TO USE AN APOSTROPHE]t have a firm understanding of the nature vs nurture debate.

Because I've never known that homosexuality is a direct consequence of being raised in a broken, welfare-ridden family, Jon, I was wondering how you knew that.




Why don't you argue that with Schmitt, then.

READ MY FUCKING POST!

im not going to waste any more time on someone who is incapable of comprehending basic english.

I am so fucking funny.

But yes.



The initial sentence's rather misleading, in that it's well known that a child <i>generally</i> does better with two parents rather than one; as opposed to having a family missing a specific gender. At the same time, since the US kind of relies on adoptive people (both single parents and couples,) to relieve the burden on charities and the government doling out money, since a stable couple is better than a single person, and either are better than constantly switching foster parents, gay couples should at least be considered higher in consideration than potential single parents.

You then state that "there is no way to prove or disprove wether homosexual parents adversly affect children", then go on to say that you've made a decision based on "what we do know." Would you mind telling us what we do know which can possibly have any relevency in light of that, then?



Got any basis for the first sentence?

Also you fail to explain the corollary for that last bit of reasoning. Gay couples cause gay children? So?

Environment can be anything from what you eat to the temperature you were at in the womb. It's very vague, and not necessarily related to upbringing at all.

Jon, I know that you believe that, but since you're not showing any reasoning behind it, it just isn't proving itself true.

Just because some 20 year old from Ohio happens to know the exact cause of homosexuality doesn't mean that the rest of us know.

So, please, for my education, Jon, enlighten me to your source. Because, all I'm wondering, Jon, is how you know for certain that homosexuality is caused by being raised in a 'broken home'. All you've stated in your post is that it's 'well known' that this is the cause, but I've heard contrary, and I'm wondering if you could elaborate on this.

which is why i take issue with people who claim that homosexuality is decided at birth......they are ruling out far too many possibilities.

I merely cited my own example to illustrate a case in which one could have a loving, nurturing childhood with strong mother and father figures and still be homosexual. Although one's attitude and reaction towards one's sexuality is completely shaped by one's environment, I firmly believe that homosexuality is rooted to an extent in one's biological makeup.