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 Post subject: An Open Letter to the People of America
PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 15:06 
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I've been reading WorldNetDaily and similar extreme right pundits and it's been bothering me, immensely, how bizzarely irrationally some people think. They blamed homosexuals, sexual decadence, tolerance, God's wrath, the lack of the ten commandments in state schools, liberals, the UN and foreign nations for the hurricanes and the way people are behaving. It's been bothering me that so many people could have such a perversely wrong and hateful view, and I was wondering if there was a left wing equivalent. Astrology and new age metaphysical silliness just didn't have the same oomph of fire and brimstone backwards idiocy.

I agree entirely that the federal government has been incredibly slow to act. FEMA is several days behind the media in learning about individual hospitals and centres where people have been gathered. The government seems to have turned down direct and speedy DART aid from Canada which would have flown in supplies and experienced, trained relief teams, and reportedly has turned down aid from Russia. I've yet to hear of them accepting aid from any of the 20-odd other countries offering help, although Condoleeza Rice has said they will do. Similarly, the National Guard has been slow in raising enough numbers to deal with the disaster, 30,000 people in or getting into the area only now, a number it's pledging to double. The National Guard by its very nature isn't under the remit of the government, though, and will take time to organise. That being said.

The job of the US Army Engineer Corps was not to decide what kind of levees were used, and the levee system itself is problematic to begin with, although they didn't know it at the time. They have a limited budget and provided the best support the money has allowed them; the new Orleans base had a severe budget cut over the past five or so years and was <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ep/20050831/en_bpiep/didneworleanscatastrophehavetohappen">forced</a> to postpone a study into how New Orleans could be protected from force 5 hurricanes.

Many civilians stayed because they had no way of getting out of the city. A large part of New Orleans is incredibly, ridiculously poor - many living from paycheque to paycheque - and simply have never been able to afford bikes or cars, there is limited public transportation (which were used to ferry people to the superdome anyway, and train stations were closed,) and the extent of the flooding and damage almost immediately reached <a href="http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/images.php3?img_id=17018">extensive proportions</a>. Alabama and the Mississippi were also hit by the hurricane; hundreds have died in the Mississippi alone. Very few of the people still in New Orleans wanted to be. Hundreds, perhaps thousands will be dead by the end because they were poor. Bravo for crossing swords with them.

The looting, primarily, was and is of basic necessities. The police were deliberately ignoring or helping the efforts of people to steal food, sanitary products and water for themselves and their families. Sanitation, food and clean water are at a phenomenal low, and once the supply of clean water runs out and typhus (and more given the state of the water surrounding New Orleans,) becomes prevalent it's going to get much, much worse. Babies, the crippled and the elderly are already dying in droves and left to rot. Looting is the only thing keeping <i>anyone</i> alive. Of course they're desperate. Police officers who have lost everything that means anything to them are giving up in droves. The National Guard presence simply isn't large enough to help most people.

That being said looting has extended into electrical equipment, booze and other commodities. There was a large state housing project very near the French Quarter. It was one of the poorest areas, one of the least evacuated, and one of the most crime ridden. They are now even poorer and have even less. They have, reportedly, come together in gangs and have been stealing lots of things, and have caused National Guard and others to be diverted to try and stop them. They're using guns to steal the basic things we all need and more, take pot shots at policemen and Guardsmen trying to stop them, and to threaten choppers to come back with more water and food for their families. This has slowed down rescue efforts. Animals. Fantastic. Fine.

There have also been unconfirmed and limited reports of rape. Horrible, inexcusable stuff if true. Makes all of the survivors look bad, lets the entire team down.

And people drinking booze before horrendous devastation strikes? I think the best thing you can do, since you asked, is stop snorting cocaine.

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meh

i'm not certain that this is one of gregor's better eforts.

having said that, i understand his anger in watching this. this is the STATES for fucks sake. yes - the disaster is in the poorest part of the country, but it's the richest country in the world. relief should have been ready to move fast enough to prevent the violence.

also - kate (poryphos petal) is in the middle of it...and neither gregor nor i have heard from her since the storm hit...

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Don't worry Nuke - it's satire!

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For a second, I thought Gregor was THM.


Anyone notice how racist the article seems, given the fact most of the looters are in fact black?

And the eye of Katrina passed over Kate's home town and she said she was staying, so if we don't hear from her in a month, we'll make a memorial thread.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 23:22 
yeah, well.

satire or not, it's an ugly situation.

and, yes, kate was there when it hit, as i was talking to her as it was coming in.


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wes wrote:
yeah, well.

satire or not, it's an ugly situation.
Nuke I was being sarcastic, because I suspect Gregor's going to try and wriggle out taking full responsibility for this representing his actual thoughts and opinions on the subject. Gregor wrote a spittle-flecked, ridiculously factually incorrect article which revelled in calling the thousands of people dead, dying and desperate 'animals' and 'stupid'. The horrific event he's trying to dance on only heightens the tragedies that are his continuous attempts at writing.

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Schmitt. wrote:
wes wrote:
yeah, well.

satire or not, it's an ugly situation.
Nuke I was being sarcastic, because I suspect Gregor's going to try and wriggle out taking full responsibility for this representing his actual thoughts and opinions on the subject. Gregor wrote a spittle-flecked, ridiculously factually incorrect article which revelled in calling the thousands of people dead, dying and desperate 'animals' and 'stupid'. The horrific event he's trying to dance on only heightens the tragedies that are his continuous attempts at writing.


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The horrific event he's trying to dance on only heightens the tragedies that are his continuous attempts at writing.


Fair call Jason...

I'll explain it all to everyone when I've got a little more time. I'm snowed under at the moment.

but... for reference... try hitting up some of the right wing news sites. Try hitting up some of the 'I'm a comedian and I'm outraged' websites.

read it in the spirit in which is was written (that includes the LJ post)...

you guys should know me better than that... surely.

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kate is fine.

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Beautiful. Where is she? Does she have power and enough food and water and stuff?

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nukelavee wrote:
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kate is fine.

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gregor wrote:
but... for reference... try hitting up some of the right wing news sites.

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I've been reading WorldNetDaily and similar extreme right pundits


Gregor wrote:
read it in the spirit in which is was written (that includes the LJ post)...

you guys should know me better than that... surely.
Yes.

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I suspect Gregor's going to try and wriggle out taking full responsibility for this representing his actual thoughts and opinions on the subject.

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she is still in gulfport, no power, but they do have food and water (and beer, thanks to her uncle).

her house is ruined, but she and her family are ok, and she will be re-locating for the duration.

she says it's horrible. fires, rubble, looters...i could hear the sirens whilst i talked to her.

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I suspect Gregor's going to try and wriggle out taking full responsibility for this representing his actual thoughts and opinions on the subject.


*smirk*

tut tut tut...

Wes has figured it out... come on Jason... apply that logical little brain of yours to the situation...

(if you need to, ask Wes...)

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 Post subject: Re: An Open Letter to the People of America
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also...

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I think the best thing you can do, since you asked, is stop snorting cocaine.


golden...

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:)

less i figured it out, as made the same conclusion.

no.

i think gregor's piece works, in hindsight.

jason - think "a modest proposal", and consider the tone american media takes when covering typoons and cyclones in southeast asia.

any more, and i'll spoil gregor's fun.

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nukelavee wrote:
jason - think "a modest proposal"

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Don't worry Nuke - it's satire!


It's as if I'm writing things.

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Schmitt. wrote:
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jason - think "a modest proposal"

Schmitt. wrote:
Don't worry Nuke - it's satire!


It's as if I'm missing the point.


yeah. it is... :)

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Pretty bickering is awesome.

This internet thing fucking rules.

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You're pretending that this was an attempt at trolling and have tried buttressing it up by pointing out that this reflected the desperate gesticulations of a lot of Conservative media.

It's just I already said this before you replied.

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jason, you goof.

you quoted a tag-line, you didn't make a judgement.

second - any cleverness you might have been attempting to display was lost on me, as i caouldn't tell in context what the fuck you were refering to...

my opinion, or my concern.

my apologies if my concern over a friend blinded me to your usual scintillating brilliance.

that was sarcasm.

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and, well, your usual elegant point by point rebutal of gregor's "facts" seems a lot of effort to go through for somebody who understood gregor's intent.

that, too, was sarcasm.

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